Middle lane hogging - careless? |
Middle lane hogging - careless? |
Fri, 8 Nov 2019 - 12:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
What do we think?
Some observations: For it to be careless, it has to fall below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver. For it to be without reasonable consideration, some other person actually has to be inconvenienced. -------------------- Moderator
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Fri, 8 Nov 2019 - 12:34
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Thu, 28 Nov 2019 - 20:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,235 Joined: 5 Jan 2007 From: England Member No.: 9,919 |
Thats for sure.
I wonder what kent police are doing with this case? |
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Thu, 28 Nov 2019 - 20:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Thats for sure. I wonder what kent police are doing with this case? Presumably proceeding with careless rather than inconsiderate! -------------------- Moderator
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Thu, 28 Nov 2019 - 20:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,235 Joined: 5 Jan 2007 From: England Member No.: 9,919 |
Hmmmmm i can see that not ending well for them if them what decides are themselves mloc members
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Thu, 28 Nov 2019 - 20:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
No defence is required if, as a matter of law, one cannot inconvenience a driver who is themselves breaking the law. Depends on the scenario. IMO sitting in lane 3 for no reason is an offence regardless of whether there's someone trying to get past, who's presence is at most incidental. Let us assume therefore that lane 2 is somewhat busy with traffic doing 60 - 65 but there's gaps here and there where you could pull in if you slowed down. If you're doing 70 are you required to slow down and move to lane 2 for the guy who's doing 90? IMO no, you're doing something you're entitled to do and there's no reason you should have to slow down to let someone else pass you. Does anything change if traffic in lane 2 is going 55 and you're doing 65? Debatable at best, if you're overtaking slower moving traffic I can't see why you'd be required to slow down and get out of the way. It might be common courtesy to get out of the way if you have a chance, but it's stretching it to say that it's an offence not to do so. If I am wrong, then surely the 40 everywhere brigade is required to pull over and let me pass them when I come up behind them at 60 on a temporary speed limit single carriageway? After all, they're bloody inconvenient to me! -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 08:39
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If I am wrong, then surely the 40 everywhere brigade is required to pull over and let me pass them when I come up behind them at 60 on a temporary speed limit single carriageway? After all, they're bloody inconvenient to me! Not to mention tractors, cyclists, council waste collection vehicles, parcel delivery vans, buses, ... Suddenly I'm starting to see the attraction of this "get out of the way or it's careless" notion. -------------------- Regards,
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 09:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Not to mention tractors, cyclists, council waste collection vehicles, parcel delivery vans, buses, ... Suddenly I'm starting to see the attraction of this "get out of the way or it's careless" notion. Does that mean stationary vehicles in queues who don't make room for cyclists (where applicable obviously) are all careless as well? Those stationary cars sure hold up the two wheeled traffic. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 10:33
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Not to mention tractors, cyclists, council waste collection vehicles, parcel delivery vans, buses, ... Suddenly I'm starting to see the attraction of this "get out of the way or it's careless" notion. Does that mean stationary vehicles in queues who don't make room for cyclists (where applicable obviously) are all careless as well? Those stationary cars sure hold up the two wheeled traffic. Not sure whether you are joking or not, but there is a real question hidden in your answer. In this country it is legal for motorcyclists to filter between two lines of stationary traffic. 99% of car drivers move over (if they see you ), but there are a few who deliberately block motorcyclists . Presumably that is careless driving? (Although having said that - they know what they are doing so it cannot be care-less ) Mike |
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 11:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Presumably that is careless driving? (Although having said that - they know what they are doing so it cannot be care-less 'Careless' is of course driving at a standard below that of a careful and competent driver, so deliberate bad driving is still careless..... This post has been edited by The Rookie: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 11:15 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 16:20
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Presumably that is careless driving? (Although having said that - they know what they are doing so it cannot be care-less 'Careless' is of course driving at a standard below that of a careful and competent driver, so deliberate bad driving is still careless..... Even more careless |
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 17:08
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If I am turning left at a junction, I do not want a bike or motorbike on my left but going straight on, it is an accident waiting to happen, so I move in close to the left to stop "filtering" I people want to pass outside me then at least they cannot be hidden. Might be seen as overly careful but not careless
-------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 19:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,235 Joined: 5 Jan 2007 From: England Member No.: 9,919 |
Only imbeciles would filter up the inside of left lane traffic at a junction.
Que, the cycling fraternity to chip in |
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Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 20:41
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Only imbeciles would filter up the inside of left lane traffic at a junction. Que, the cycling fraternity to chip in I've had people do it on cycles, motorbikes, pedestrians just stepping out and on one occasion, a transit van who mounted the kerb to "filter" past on the left. Never overestimate the low level of human stupidity, the dumb ones are really dumb. |
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 08:59
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Only imbeciles would filter up the inside of left lane traffic at a junction. Que, the cycling fraternity to chip in As a cyclist I generally filter on the left hand side of the lane appropriate for the direction of travel. If the left lane is for turning left and going straight ahead then it’s perfectly safe to filter on the left. It’s not difficult to ascertain when the traffic is likely to move and position yourself accordingly. It is, however, more difficult to work out if the driver is one of those ‘right of way over cyclists at all times’ muppets who move to the left to prevent such filtering or deliberately right hook you to ‘teach you a lesson’. This post has been edited by Richy320: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 09:00 -------------------- Speed does not kill. It's more to do with how you stop.
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 12:15
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QUOTE who move to the left to prevent such filtering Or from my point of view move to the left to save the dumb cyclist from death or injury because they seem to abdicate their safety to strangers -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 16:31
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 17:28
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This thread was bad enough when it was about the MLOC, PLEASE don't turn it into yet another, even more tedious, car vs. bicycle thread!
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 18:19
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Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 21:36
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QUOTE who move to the left to prevent such filtering Or from my point of view move to the left to save the dumb cyclist from death or injury because they seem to abdicate their safety to strangers Would that be death or injury caused by the motorists who are right of way over all cyclists at all times muppets? Back to the original thread, MLOC out in force on the M40 this evening. Southbound in the inside lane at 60 (towing a trailer) the carriageway narrows to 2 lanes. As it widens to 3 lanes again after the junction, a Volvo SUV joins the motorway, travelling more quickly than me on the inside, I move to the inside lane, he moves to the centre lane, despite the inside lane ahead being completely empty. Go figure! -------------------- Speed does not kill. It's more to do with how you stop.
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Sun, 1 Dec 2019 - 00:30
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QUOTE who move to the left to prevent such filtering Or from my point of view move to the left to save the dumb cyclist from death or injury because they seem to abdicate their safety to strangers Would that be death or injury caused by the motorists who are right of way over all cyclists at all times muppets? Possibly but it could also be the death or injury due to an accident with a vehicle whose driver is all in favour of cyclists. Accidents involving cyclists aren’t the preserve of drivers who don’t like them. Cycling threads are always the same! I may start cracking down on them, since they inevitably end up in ad hominem arguments. -------------------- Moderator
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Sun, 1 Dec 2019 - 00:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,235 Joined: 5 Jan 2007 From: England Member No.: 9,919 |
How has this thread turned i to a cycling issue??
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