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Motorist2018
post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:09
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Hi all,

Please can anyone help; I have received a total of 6 PCN's for driving my motorcycle on a bus lane on Lambeth Road. The first ticket was issued on 08/11/18 with the offense occurring 10/10/18, by then I had driven on the bus lane another 5 times subsequently receiving the tickets in between those dates.
Dates:
10/10/2018
15/10/2018
16/10/2018
19/10/2018
23/10/2018
07/11/2018

I have tried to challenge each of the ticket on the bases that I didn't travel 20 meters on the bus lane, unfortunately all have been refused. I have since (17/12/18) been trying to email Lambeth to ask if all the PCN can be combined as one penalty charge since I was not aware I was making the offense until after I received the first PCN. They have not replied, instead I have received a response letter for each PCN to pay the full amount otherwise it will go to court.

Any advice?

Thanks,
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Attached File  2018_1130__Response_LJ10312888_ID_BLANKED.pdf ( 99.82K ) Number of downloads: 82
Attached File  2019_0130_Response_LJ1035838A.pdf ( 275.04K ) Number of downloads: 79
Attached File  2018_1010_PCN_Lambeth_LJ10312888_ID_BLANKED.pdf ( 107.55K ) Number of downloads: 71
 
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 1 Apr 2019 - 16:23) *
Well they've cancelled one PCN, only 5 more to go!

There's a lot of PCNs on this case and I need you to help me out with a couple of things. Firstly, on what day did you post your representations to the council? Don't guess, check the certificate of posting.

Also, in post 33 you said "I have received 2 more letters for the PCN's which I am currently contesting" but you only attached one letter, a charge certificate for PCN LJ1035838A. Show us the other letter.



There's a lot of PCNs on this case and I need you to help me out with a couple of things. Firstly, on what day did you post your representations to the council? Don't guess, check the certificate of posting. 22/02/19 the posting receipt is attached in the dropbox link below

Also, in post 33 you said "I have received 2 more letters for the PCN's which I am currently contesting" but you only attached one letter, a charge certificate for PCN LJ1035838A. Show us the other letter. The 2 PCN I received were LJ1035838A and LJ1033150A, both of which are attached in the dropbox link below (in the relevant folders). Let me know if you can't access the link?


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I can access the link, but for LJ1035838A there's only two copies of the enforcement notice dated 30 January, the rejection letter from December 2018 and the original PCN from November 2018. Have you received a charge certificate for this PCN?


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 10:02) *
I can access the link, but for LJ1035838A there's only two copies of the enforcement notice dated 30 January, the rejection letter from December 2018 and the original PCN from November 2018. Have you received a charge certificate for this PCN?


No, only the enforcement notice. Try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0csk6szcyxwekx/2...35838A.pdf?dl=0
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QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 15:25) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 10:02) *
I can access the link, but for LJ1035838A there's only two copies of the enforcement notice dated 30 January, the rejection letter from December 2018 and the original PCN from November 2018. Have you received a charge certificate for this PCN?


No, only the enforcement notice. Try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0csk6szcyxwekx/2...35838A.pdf?dl=0

So they sent you a 2nd copy of the enforcement notice?


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 19:39) *
QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 15:25) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 10:02) *
I can access the link, but for LJ1035838A there's only two copies of the enforcement notice dated 30 January, the rejection letter from December 2018 and the original PCN from November 2018. Have you received a charge certificate for this PCN?


No, only the enforcement notice. Try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0csk6szcyxwekx/2...35838A.pdf?dl=0

So they sent you a 2nd copy of the enforcement notice?


LJ1035838A - Not a second copy of the enforcement notice, they just sent the same enforcement notice twice i.e. same date (30/01/19).

Please could you advise on my next steps for PCN:

LJ10344895 - Received letter 25/03/19, Letter from Lamberth - Decline to cancel PCN and a Environment & Traffic Adjudicators "Your Right to Appeal" Form.

Should I complete this form? if so, what should I complete of the Grounds of appeal and Details of Appeal

The form is attached on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kewgcryblugxt54/2...344895.pdf?dl=0
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Your deadline to appeal PCN LJ10344895 is Tuesday 23 April 2019, so there's no rush. Ideally you want to appeal the PCNs together, as the tribunal will then hear them as a single case, but you can't appeal the other PCNs until you get a Notice of Rejection. For now, I would just wait and see if they send you rejection notices or charge certificates for any of the other PCNs.

If nothing else turns up in the post by 21st or 22nd April, register an appeal on the tribunal website https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk and in the reasons box just write "detailed grounds to follow".


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 3 Apr 2019 - 13:06) *
Your deadline to appeal PCN LJ10344895 is Tuesday 23 April 2019, so there's no rush. Ideally you want to appeal the PCNs together, as the tribunal will then hear them as a single case, but you can't appeal the other PCNs until you get a Notice of Rejection. For now, I would just wait and see if they send you rejection notices or charge certificates for any of the other PCNs.

If nothing else turns up in the post by 21st or 22nd April, register an appeal on the tribunal website https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk and in the reasons box just write "detailed grounds to follow".


Ok thanks.
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Hi, I have now received more letters. Please can you advise next steps:

Offense Date PCN No. Issued Date Last Response from Lambeth Type of Response From Lambeth
10/10/2018 LJ10312888 08/11/2018 N/A N/A
15/10/2018 LJ1033150A 09/11/2018 05/04/2019 Order for recovery of unpaid Penalty Charge
16/10/2018 LJ10334847 09/11/2018 05/04/2019 Order for recovery of unpaid Penalty Charge
19/10/2018 LJ10344895 12/11/2018 25/03/2019 Letter from Lambeth - Decline to cancel PCN and a Environment & Traffic Adjudicators "Your
Right to Appeal" Form
23/10/2018 LJ1035838A 13/11/2018 05/04/2019 Order for recovery of unpaid Penalty Charge
07/11/2018 LJ10395331 26/11/2018 05/04/2019 Enforcement Notice Plus Letter of rejection (Dated: 08/04/19)


As previously advised for LJ10344895, I will to register an appeal on the tribunal today (20/04/19) with the reasons box "detailed grounds to follow".

All the letters are in the relevant folders of the dropbox link below:
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It is important that when you get these letters, you let us know straight away. You've not missed any deadlines yet, but you're cutting it fine and if you miss a deadline, you risk losing the case. The deadlines are the most important thing. You must now follow these instructions very carefully, or you risk ending up with bailiffs at your door and that will cost you more than £1,000. If you follow these instructions correctly, the PCNs should be cancelled and you will pay nothing.

PCNs LJ1033150A, LJ1035838A and LJ10334847:

For these three PCNs, you have an Order for Recovery and a PE3 form, with the words "Statutory Declaration Unpaid Penalty Charge". You must fill in the Statutory Declaration form for each of these penalties in the following manner:

Write in your full name and address as required, then tick the box that says "I made representations about the Penalty Charge Notice to the Local authority concerned within 28 days of the service of the Penalty Charge Notice / Enforcement Notice but did not receive a Notice of Rejection"

You cannot just sign the form. Instead, you must go to either a county court or a magistrates' court to make the statutory declaration in front of a court official, you will need to sign the form in front of them, they will then sign the form as well. You can also make the statutory declaration in front of a solicitor but they are likely to charge, while it's free if you get a court official to do it. Most county courts nowadays require you to phone in advance and make an appointment, on the other hand magistrates' courts have the advantage of often being open on a Saturday morning.

Once you have got the three forms signed by a court official, you must scan and email them to tec@justice.gov.uk (remember there must be one form for each PCN).

You must send this email at the very latest by 3:59 pm on 29 April 2019, if you miss this deadline, it may not be possible to stop the bailiffs from coming.

PCNs LJ10344895:

Register an appeal on the London Tribunals website against this PCN, using the code provided in the Notice of Rejection. In the reasons box, write "detailed grounds to follow". You must do this by Tuesday at the latest.

PCN LJ10395331

On the enforcement notice, tick "The alleged contravention did not occur", then in section 3 write "I rely on the reasons outlined in the enclosed letter". Send the following together letter with the Enforcement Notice back to the council:

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Dear Sir or Madam,

I contest liability on the following grounds:

Ground 1 - The alleged contravention did not occur:

Since the PCN was issued, I have become aware of a serious problem with the signage at this location. In particular, the sign at the start of the bus lane was rotated 90 degrees so it was not visible from to traffic. Should you reject this representation, I invite you to disclose the maintenance logs for the signage at this location.

Ground 2 - The contravention was de minimis: As will hopefully be common ground, the bus lane ends where the pedestrian crossing zig-zags commence, therefore my vehicle was only in the bus lane for a short distance. It is a well established principle that de minimis non curat lex, and I draw the enforcement authority's attention to Mahabub Sumon v London Borough of Waltham Forest (case reference 2140263304) where the adjudicator stated "I should add that there is a 20 metre rule that should normally be observed before any PCN should be issued and in this case the vehicle clearly was not driven in the bus lane for this distance. ". I submit that in this instance the infraction was so trivial as to be de-minimis.

If the enforcement authority believes the contravention is above the de-minimis threshold, I invite it to articulate its reasons for reaching this conclusion.

Ground 3 - Proportionality of the penalty:Six penalty charge notices were issued over a number of consecutive days, all contraventions took place before the first PCN was served on me. As a result, I had received no notification by the time the last alleged contravention took place, so I had no opportunity to adjust my driving behaviour. The enforcement authority will be aware that since the date of service of the first PCN, no further PCNs have been issued. While one PCN has been cancelled, I submit that in all the circumstances, to pursue five penalty charges for what amounts to a single misunderstanding of the bus lane restrictions is disproportionate and unfair, I draw your attention to Mahabub Sumon v London Borough of Waltham Forest (case reference 2140263304):

"The main point of his attendance today and indeed his challenge to the penalties is a request that the three be treated as one. I can accept that he made a single error.

The Council may not have been at fault in issuing three separate penalty charges for Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday that is to say three consecutive days.

What I think has been unfortunate is that the Council has not really responded to the main point which is for the cases to be met by a single penalty charge.

I consider that when I adjudicate on multiple penalty charges each deriving from the same mistake I have a duty to proceed so that the total penalty charge amount is not exorbitant, not disproportionate.

In the present case the Council has not really dealt with this multiple aspect of the charges.

I consider the correct response taking all in all is for me to uphold the penalty charge of £130 solely in respect of Thursday 13 March (the Adjudicator at the adjudication stage is not able to reset the initial discount).

I am allowing the appeals arising from penalty charges incurred by mistakes on the two previous days.
"

I submit that in all the circumstances, even if the enforcement authority is satisfied that all the contraventions occurred, nonetheless only one PCN should be enforced as all PCNs arise from the same mistake. As such, under this heading I invite you to cancel PCNs LJ10395331, LJ10344895, LJ10334847 and LJ1035838A and only pursue PCN LJ1033150A.

Ground 4 - request for council to exercise discretion:

Even if the council is of the view that the alleged contraventions are above the de-minimis threshold, I submit that nonetheless the alleged contraventions are minor and the enforcement authority should exercise discretion to cancel at least four out of the five outstanding PCNs, the council council being clearly vested with a power to do so. To pursue a total of £650 in penalties for a single mistake would self-evidently be disproportionate and unfair in all the circumstances.


Get proof of postage, same as you did last time. The representations for this PCN must be received by Lambeth by 6 May, so you must post the letter by 1 May at the latest.

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cp8759 has asked me look at the tail end of this case, to check procedural issues around the OfRs.

First of all, can I give him a big 'big up' for his single handed efforts here.
Also 'motorist' who has cooperated with appropriate responses throughout.

As for my bit, whoah, it's a lot of PCNs to get my head around right now, so I'll comment in next 40 hours - ish.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 20:26) *
PCNs LJ1033150A, LJ1035838A and LJ10334847:

For these three PCNs, you have an Order for Recovery and a PE3 form, with the words "Statutory Declaration Unpaid Penalty Charge". You must fill in the Statutory Declaration form for each of these penalties in the following manner:

Write in your full name and address as required, then tick the box that says "I made representations about the Penalty Charge Notice to the Local authority concerned within 28 days of the service of the Penalty Charge Notice / Enforcement Notice but did not receive a Notice of Rejection"

You cannot just sign the form. Instead, you must go to either a county court or a magistrates' court to make the statutory declaration in front of a court official, you will need to sign the form in front of them, they will then sign the form as well. You can also make the statutory declaration in front of a solicitor but they are likely to charge, while it's free if you get a court official to do it. Most county courts nowadays require you to phone in advance and make an appointment, on the other hand magistrates' courts have the advantage of often being open on a Saturday morning.

Once you have got the three forms signed by a court official, you must scan and email them to tec@justice.gov.uk (remember there must be one form for each PCN).

You must send this email at the very latest by 3:59 pm on 29 April 2019,


This is all ok. Go ahead.

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When it eventually gets in front of an adjudicator I'm just wondering how they will view the original
bulked reps for all six?
i.e. Does that comply with 'form and manner'?


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 21 Apr 2019 - 13:02) *
When it eventually gets in front of an adjudicator I'm just wondering how they will view the original
bulked reps for all six?
i.e. Does that comply with 'form and manner'?

All the enforcement notices were physically sent back to the council, duly signed: one was dealt with as a formal rep, the others were ignored. IMO the council must lose for failure to consider, we know they physically received the paperwork so they really have no excuse for not dealing with all of them.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 21 Apr 2019 - 12:46) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 21 Apr 2019 - 13:02) *
When it eventually gets in front of an adjudicator I'm just wondering how they will view the original
bulked reps for all six?
i.e. Does that comply with 'form and manner'?

All the enforcement notices were physically sent back to the council, duly signed: one was dealt with as a formal rep, the others were ignored. IMO the council must lose for failure to consider, we know they physically received the paperwork so they really have no excuse for not dealing with all of them.

Good.
And you got what you wanted; the sole rejection.

How you've kept up with it is beyond me.


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 21 Apr 2019 - 22:10) *
And you got what you wanted; the sole rejection.

I was expecting four Notices of Rejection, I didn't think for one moment we'd be this lucky.

QUOTE (Neil B @ Sun, 21 Apr 2019 - 22:10) *
How you've kept up with it is beyond me.

Oh compared to some of the stuff I've dealt with in the day job this is really nothing.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 20:26) *
It is important that when you get these letters, you let us know straight away. You've not missed any deadlines yet, but you're cutting it fine and if you miss a deadline, you risk losing the case. The deadlines are the most important thing. You must now follow these instructions very carefully, or you risk ending up with bailiffs at your door and that will cost you more than £1,000. If you follow these instructions correctly, the PCNs should be cancelled and you will pay nothing.

PCNs LJ1033150A, LJ1035838A and LJ10334847:

For these three PCNs, you have an Order for Recovery and a PE3 form, with the words "Statutory Declaration Unpaid Penalty Charge". You must fill in the Statutory Declaration form for each of these penalties in the following manner:

Write in your full name and address as required, then tick the box that says "I made representations about the Penalty Charge Notice to the Local authority concerned within 28 days of the service of the Penalty Charge Notice / Enforcement Notice but did not receive a Notice of Rejection"

You cannot just sign the form. Instead, you must go to either a county court or a magistrates' court to make the statutory declaration in front of a court official, you will need to sign the form in front of them, they will then sign the form as well. You can also make the statutory declaration in front of a solicitor but they are likely to charge, while it's free if you get a court official to do it. Most county courts nowadays require you to phone in advance and make an appointment, on the other hand magistrates' courts have the advantage of often being open on a Saturday morning.

Once you have got the three forms signed by a court official, you must scan and email them to tec@justice.gov.uk (remember there must be one form for each PCN).

You must send this email at the very latest by 3:59 pm on 29 April 2019, if you miss this deadline, it may not be possible to stop the bailiffs from coming.

PCNs LJ10344895:

Register an appeal on the London Tribunals website against this PCN, using the code provided in the Notice of Rejection. In the reasons box, write "detailed grounds to follow". You must do this by Tuesday at the latest.

PCN LJ10395331

On the enforcement notice, tick "The alleged contravention did not occur", then in section 3 write "I rely on the reasons outlined in the enclosed letter". Send the following together letter with the Enforcement Notice back to the council:

QUOTE
Dear Sir or Madam,

I contest liability on the following grounds:

Ground 1 - The alleged contravention did not occur:

Since the PCN was issued, I have become aware of a serious problem with the signage at this location. In particular, the sign at the start of the bus lane was rotated 90 degrees so it was not visible from to traffic. Should you reject this representation, I invite you to disclose the maintenance logs for the signage at this location.

Ground 2 - The contravention was de minimis: As will hopefully be common ground, the bus lane ends where the pedestrian crossing zig-zags commence, therefore my vehicle was only in the bus lane for a short distance. It is a well established principle that de minimis non curat lex, and I draw the enforcement authority's attention to Mahabub Sumon v London Borough of Waltham Forest (case reference 2140263304) where the adjudicator stated "I should add that there is a 20 metre rule that should normally be observed before any PCN should be issued and in this case the vehicle clearly was not driven in the bus lane for this distance. ". I submit that in this instance the infraction was so trivial as to be de-minimis.

If the enforcement authority believes the contravention is above the de-minimis threshold, I invite it to articulate its reasons for reaching this conclusion.

Ground 3 - Proportionality of the penalty:Six penalty charge notices were issued over a number of consecutive days, all contraventions took place before the first PCN was served on me. As a result, I had received no notification by the time the last alleged contravention took place, so I had no opportunity to adjust my driving behaviour. The enforcement authority will be aware that since the date of service of the first PCN, no further PCNs have been issued. While one PCN has been cancelled, I submit that in all the circumstances, to pursue five penalty charges for what amounts to a single misunderstanding of the bus lane restrictions is disproportionate and unfair, I draw your attention to Mahabub Sumon v London Borough of Waltham Forest (case reference 2140263304):

"The main point of his attendance today and indeed his challenge to the penalties is a request that the three be treated as one. I can accept that he made a single error.

The Council may not have been at fault in issuing three separate penalty charges for Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday that is to say three consecutive days.

What I think has been unfortunate is that the Council has not really responded to the main point which is for the cases to be met by a single penalty charge.

I consider that when I adjudicate on multiple penalty charges each deriving from the same mistake I have a duty to proceed so that the total penalty charge amount is not exorbitant, not disproportionate.

In the present case the Council has not really dealt with this multiple aspect of the charges.

I consider the correct response taking all in all is for me to uphold the penalty charge of £130 solely in respect of Thursday 13 March (the Adjudicator at the adjudication stage is not able to reset the initial discount).

I am allowing the appeals arising from penalty charges incurred by mistakes on the two previous days.
"

I submit that in all the circumstances, even if the enforcement authority is satisfied that all the contraventions occurred, nonetheless only one PCN should be enforced as all PCNs arise from the same mistake. As such, under this heading I invite you to cancel PCNs LJ10395331, LJ10344895, LJ10334847 and LJ1035838A and only pursue PCN LJ1033150A.

Ground 4 - request for council to exercise discretion:

Even if the council is of the view that the alleged contraventions are above the de-minimis threshold, I submit that nonetheless the alleged contraventions are minor and the enforcement authority should exercise discretion to cancel at least four out of the five outstanding PCNs, the council council being clearly vested with a power to do so. To pursue a total of £650 in penalties for a single mistake would self-evidently be disproportionate and unfair in all the circumstances.


Get proof of postage, same as you did last time. The representations for this PCN must be received by Lambeth by 6 May, so you must post the letter by 1 May at the latest.


PCNs LJ10344895 - I have registered the appeal over last weekend on the London Tribunals website, however in the reasons box, I added your letter and photo's of the sign facing in the wrong direction. I have since had a reply to attend the tribunal on the 25/05 which i am unable to attend so will re-arrange. Please advise what I should say/do at the tribunal?

Letter from London Tribunal is on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg6uldd40oly4tj/2...023152.pdf?dl=0

I will follow your instructions precisely for the other 4 PCN's. Thanks
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QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:26) *
PCNs LJ10344895 - I have registered the appeal over last weekend on the London Tribunals website, however in the reasons box, I added your letter and photo's of the sign facing in the wrong direction. I have since had a reply to attend the tribunal on the 25/05 which i am unable to attend so will re-arrange. Please advise what I should say/do at the tribunal?

Letter from London Tribunal is on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg6uldd40oly4tj/2...023152.pdf?dl=0

Do you mean you added the representations letter as your appeal?

Also if the date they've given you is not convenient, you can just ask them for a different date.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:03) *
QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:26) *
PCNs LJ10344895 - I have registered the appeal over last weekend on the London Tribunals website, however in the reasons box, I added your letter and photo's of the sign facing in the wrong direction. I have since had a reply to attend the tribunal on the 25/05 which i am unable to attend so will re-arrange. Please advise what I should say/do at the tribunal?

Letter from London Tribunal is on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg6uldd40oly4tj/2...023152.pdf?dl=0

Do you mean you added the representations letter as your appeal?

Also if the date they've given you is not convenient, you can just ask them for a different date.


LJ10344895 - Yes, I added the letter and photos of the bus lane signage facing the wrong direction. Any advise/guidance on what I should say/do at the tribunal?
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djrichard74
post Thu, 25 Apr 2019 - 11:15
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Hi,

Google map from Feb 2018 showing that the sign has been skewed for long time

Please see my post. I was driving on 30th November 2019 on that road.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=125762

This was filmed by me today 25th April 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPA8ZH-o6Zg

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QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Thu, 25 Apr 2019 - 08:58) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:03) *
QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:26) *
PCNs LJ10344895 - I have registered the appeal over last weekend on the London Tribunals website, however in the reasons box, I added your letter and photo's of the sign facing in the wrong direction. I have since had a reply to attend the tribunal on the 25/05 which i am unable to attend so will re-arrange. Please advise what I should say/do at the tribunal?

Letter from London Tribunal is on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg6uldd40oly4tj/2...023152.pdf?dl=0

Do you mean you added the representations letter as your appeal?

Also if the date they've given you is not convenient, you can just ask them for a different date.


LJ10344895 - Yes, I added the letter and photos of the bus lane signage facing the wrong direction. Any advise/guidance on what I should say/do at the tribunal?

One thing at a time, first let's see whether the council contest the case. If they do, put their evidence pack on dropbox so we can take a look. Has the tribunal given you a new date?


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post Fri, 26 Apr 2019 - 10:44
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 25 Apr 2019 - 18:36) *
QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Thu, 25 Apr 2019 - 08:58) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:03) *
QUOTE (Motorist2018 @ Wed, 24 Apr 2019 - 14:26) *
PCNs LJ10344895 - I have registered the appeal over last weekend on the London Tribunals website, however in the reasons box, I added your letter and photo's of the sign facing in the wrong direction. I have since had a reply to attend the tribunal on the 25/05 which i am unable to attend so will re-arrange. Please advise what I should say/do at the tribunal?

Letter from London Tribunal is on this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg6uldd40oly4tj/2...023152.pdf?dl=0

Do you mean you added the representations letter as your appeal?

Also if the date they've given you is not convenient, you can just ask them for a different date.


LJ10344895 - Yes, I added the letter and photos of the bus lane signage facing the wrong direction. Any advise/guidance on what I should say/do at the tribunal?

One thing at a time, first let's see whether the council contest the case. If they do, put their evidence pack on dropbox so we can take a look. Has the tribunal given you a new date?


Yes, the new date is 01/06/19 9am.
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