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Hire Company Receives NIP but I haven't
nicknotlike
post Sun, 4 Dec 2016 - 14:27
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Greetings,

I am hiring a car and in the last couple of days I received a letter (and £30 admin fee) from the car hire company stating they received a NIP and they have provided the Police my details as driver.

They attached a copy of NIP issued by North Yorkshire Police which states the following:

Car recorded at 80 mph which exceeded 70 mph limit on Dual Carrigaway.
Date on NIP which was issued to Car Hire Company: 21/11/2016
Date of alleged offence: 18/11/2016

The offence was over two weeks ago now and I've not received anything myself yet. Is there a deadline the NIP needs to be issued to alleged driver bearing in mind the Car Hire Company has already received one? If I don't receive one do I just sit tight and do nothing?

Also, I recall when talking to someone from I think Lancashire Police a few years back it stated that the speed they started issuing NIPs would be after the max speed plus 10% + 3 mph had been exceeded. So for a 70 mph limit you would need to exceed 70 + 7 + 3 = 80 mph. The car in this case was recorded at 80 mph so that limit wasn't exceeded yet a NIP was still issued. So was that "exceed max speed plus 10% + 3 mph" claim incorrect or has that criteiria changed in the last couple of years perhaps?

I guess this qualifies for a Speed Awareness course which I assume would be the preferred option if offered?

Thanks in advanced.
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post Thu, 8 Dec 2016 - 20:21
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There is no reason why you must change the address if you still own the property AND can get prompt access to any related mail. But it would be sensible to have your actual current address on your licence.
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post Thu, 8 Dec 2016 - 23:06
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QUOTE (nicknotlike @ Thu, 8 Dec 2016 - 20:13) *
Yes the hire company commented on it and said I should get address changed asap which I then put on my list of things to do.

Incidentally, I still own the flat I used to live in, it's just vacant at the moment. I think in the back of my mind I was thinking there was no rush as I could say it is still my address, just not my main one if questioned. Anyway, I'll try and see if I can change it online.

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The law simply requires your DL and V5C address to be an address at which you can be contacted.


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post Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 17:59
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Ah, interesting. Thanks for that. So if the "law simply requires your DL and V5C address to be an address at which you can be contacted" then maybe I don't need to change my address at all.

Thinking ahead, it might get a bit tricky if I move to another new address in future. I see the website asks where I've lived for the past 3 yrs when I go through the online change license address process. I still own my old flat but I've not actually lived there for yonks, more than 3 years ago. I don't know how important that is. Do they bother checking consensus or maybe council tax payees for old address registered? Will they know or even care if I lived in my old flat? However if I say I did live there in the last 3 years then I'm misleading which I suppose could mean I get into more trouble.

Not sure whether to change the address or not now. Am I getting too pedantic?
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post Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 18:59
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QUOTE (nicknotlike @ Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 17:59) *
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that. So if the "law simply requires your DL and V5C address to be an address at which you can be contacted" then maybe I don't need to change my address at all.

Thinking ahead, it might get a bit tricky if I move to another new address in future. I see the website asks where I've lived for the past 3 yrs when I go through the online change license address process. I still own my old flat but I've not actually lived there for yonks, more than 3 years ago. I don't know how important that is. Do they bother checking consensus or maybe council tax payees for old address registered? Will they know or even care if I lived in my old flat? However if I say I did live there in the last 3 years then I'm misleading which I suppose could mean I get into more trouble.

Not sure whether to change the address or not now. Am I getting too pedantic?


AFAIK, DVLA don't care how many addresses you've had.

Not sure what the problem is - as i said, the law simply requires your DL and V5C address to be an address at which you can be contacted.

If you can't be reliably contacted at an address (for any reason, e.g. tenants throw mail out, house boarded up etc), then don't use it. Simples.

Why not use the address you live at, seems a good solution for most of the population.


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post Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 19:09
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QUOTE (nicknotlike @ Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 17:59) *
Am I getting too pedantic?

Yes.


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QUOTE (peterguk @ Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - 18:59) *
Why not use the address you live at, seems a good solution for most of the population.


Ah! If only my life was so simple. I'm a contract worker who works pretty much my whole time away from home sometimes away for six months at a time living in hotels. I'm single so there's no one "home" to monitor post delivered. So I use a relative's address as my correspondence address when I can so that I'm able to be alerted of any urgent post that comes in. Technically I don't live at my relative's address but I have to say I do if I want to use that address.
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post Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 18:14
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Question about the courses...

Is it one course per county? Or one course every 3 years no matter where you are?

So if your driving lots across the country you could have multiple courses and not points?
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post Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 18:21
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QUOTE (Tr33hous3 @ Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 18:14) *
One course every 3 years no matter where you are?


Correct.


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post Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 18:46
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Apart from Avon and Somerset who run their own, so if one qualifies the you can do a national course within the same three year period whichever way they overlap.


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post Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 19:23
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I thought Dorset weren't in the national scheme either, or has that changed?

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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 19:46) *
Apart from Dorset who run their own, so if one qualifies the you can do a national course within the same three year period whichever way they overlap.

FTFY
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post Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 23:03
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Simon was presumably thinking of Avon & Somerset's "Super NIP"


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I also have a recollection that Wiltshire weren't in the national scheme at one point.
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Thu, 15 Dec 2016 - 00:03) *
Simon was presumably thinking of Avon & Somerset's "Super NIP"

I was, was a long day.


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QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Thu, 15 Dec 2016 - 01:37) *
I also have a recollection that Wiltshire weren't in the national scheme at one point.

Correct. But they don't even do local courses like Dorset do.
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QUOTE (Tr33hous3 @ Wed, 14 Dec 2016 - 18:14) *
Question about the courses...

Is it one course per county? Or one course every 3 years no matter where you are?

So if your driving lots across the country you could have multiple courses and not points?

One speeding course within the national scheme and one elsewhere, each three years; you can still do other types of courses, so fill yer boots...

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